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messages that Tyler Murray sent my friend that I replied to

I took snippets of the chat that Tyler Murray had with my friend. He was angry that she posted the video. He had it taken off all the sites and had f/b block her from posting.

at with Tyler and other friends,turn on chat.

Chat Conversation Start 9 hours ago Tyler, I have non-stopped thought about the e-mails you exchanged between yourself and my friend since Saturday evening. Since then I have only gotten 2 hours of sleep with all of this on my mind. But I have come to some conclusions. As you heard in court, I have raised a lot of children, all mine, none stolen. They each have their own unique personalities. Through it all, they survived and so did I. As you “grow up” you will lean that no family is perfect…not even yours. So to use the exchange between you and my friend I am going to put some perspective on how I read the conversation. TYLER: My attorney said for me to not message her. If Cathy ever wanted to talk to me then she could’ve. MY REPLY: you will come to learn that it’s all about money with lawyers, Not about what’s in the best interest of you, myself or my grandchildren. If you were told not to message me, how could I have ever known that I “could’ve” talked to you? TYLER: I listened to what a four year old boy told me MY REPLY: I hope you don’t rely solely on what a 4 yrs old has to say, especially one with a vivid imagination. Rj has learned to say what he thinks adults what to hear. Granted, Barry and Paula has put him through so much suffering. I hope he never comes to find out that you feel he is the cause of separating him from his family…that will destroy him! TYLER: We cleaned them with baby wipes MY REPLY: I have no doubt that Paula got them as filthy as possible. Obviously she will do anything evil she can do to glorify herself. The picture of the baby in court proves that, whosoever baby that was. TYLER: The kids aren’t in the life of Barry’s family like Cathy thinks. MY REPLY: Its not what I think, its what Barry tells Angela. All I know is that Paula can see them and talk to them. Paula feels she has all the power…she will find out in the end…it is God that will show her power! TYLER: But Cathy knows how to reach out to me. Tell her to keep in mind I will not be discussing court, Angela, Barry, Paula, or anything else to her. But I said from the beginning if the kids biological family wants to know how they are then that is fine. They can contact me or my attorney, But I will not discuss the family issues between all of them or court. MY REPLY: I should reach out to you??? You have my grandchildren and I should reach out to you??? Not just that you have my grandchildren, but its the way you obtained my grandchildren! (But I said from the beginning if the kids biological family wants to know how they are then that is fine) You must’ve meant Paula’s side of the family, because not ONE time did you make an attempt to try reach out to us…only to snatch my daughter’s children away from her. TYLER: And I will not talk to Cathy if she can’t act like she is supposed to. MY REPLY: And just how am I suppose to act Tyler? I have been a parent of both boy’s and girls 6 times. I have 16…yes, 16 grandchildren and 1 great grandchild. Please! You tell me how a mother and grandmother is “suppose” to act in this so unimaginable situation! I did not know you had a Phd in on how I or anyone else is “supposed.to act” after dragging us into court and hearing all the lies and kidnapping our children and grandchildren who were complete strangers to you. You tell me…am I suppose to apologize because I love my family? Am I suppose to crawl under a rock and say “Oh well, things happen”? Or do you want me to think you’re a “God” that saved Rj and Paisley? I would say…I wish it would happen to you and then you would know how “you’re suppose to act”. But I would never wish this upon any innocent child/children ever! TYLER: I am a very protective and stern guy of my family. MY REPLY: So am I. I knew about family since before you were born. TYLER: I wanted them away from all the drama MY REPLY: You and Paula put them right smack into drama…but I don’t expect you to ever understand that. TYLER: I think deep in Cathy’s heart she knows that. She can tell we aren’t some sorry beat people. We have been blessed MY REPLY: How am I suppose to know that? I know there were lies flying around in court. I know that my daughter cried, pleaded and begged you for her children while you and your wife sat there and watched! You could have stopped it all and let the children come home with us! You could have done the right thing! This isn’t about you and what you want…its about Rj and Paisley and the family they belong to! God blessed our family with Rj and Paisley…not yours! TYLER: I think she will respect that cause it reflects that I am cautious of my family. MY REPLY: I respect NOTHING you have done and they are not your family they are ours! TYLER: I know that Cathy is behind all of the stories and posting She doesn’t scare us MY REPLY: You have no idea, you haven’t seen nothing yet. This was an “ILLEGAL ADOPTION” I wonder…how are you going to act when they are ripped from you? But you haven’t invested in them from birth like my family has, its different when they’re your own and not stolen. You will probably look for another beaten down frightened mother and steal her child…after all this is your second attempt at it…and hey, you’re getting better at it every time. TYLER: I will give her a chance to speak to me in a respectful way MY REPLY: This should be the other way around! I will never have respect for someone who says they are helping my daughter, just to trick her and steal her children. Tell me, would you? TYLER: I am not going through the drama though. We don’t need it and neither does the two precious babies MY REPLY: you should have thought about that before you scammed a weak minded and abused mother right out of her children! You created this drama…don’t point your finger at me! TYLER: I never told Cathy or Paula that they couldn’t talk to ME. But however I don’t want to speak to the others because I have nothing to say to them MY REPLY: I guess Paula was privy to that conversation! “Don’t want to speak to the others”…others meaning Angela…the one who begged for her children…the one who gave birth to them…the one who has suffered through the abuse and manipulation of Paula and Barry. Is this “the others” you’re referring to??? If you think for the life of me that I could or would go behind my daughter’s back and have a relationship with my grandchildren without her and let you abuse her again… you’re as crazy as Paula! I just realized with your statement that you were in this from the beginning and you are just like Paula and Stacie! How dare you even suggest I go against my daughter…we are in this together…maybe you should take family 101 or give the Rj and Paisley back to us…so they know what a real family God intended they have. TYLER: I know Cathy is just trying to be a grandma MY REPLY: I am not trying…I am Rj & Paisley’s grandma! TYLER: But the kids will not be spoken to or seen without my approval and if I for some reason ever did allow it then there will be me along with officials standing there MY REPLY: You really like this don’t you? Does doing what you’re doing make you feel more like a man? I could be nice and bow down to your control because of course you have it all right now and you are letting me know it. I am looking at this 2 ways: 1) We will get them in court, and you wont have to worry about my control because you will never see them again. And 2) If by chance, and I am only slightly considering this thought of happening…they will grow up and find their “real” family and will be show everything (including this) on how you did their real family who NEVER put them up for adoption and fought to keep them and get them back. If the latter happens, I will have the satisfaction of them hating you, your wife, Paula and Stacie for it…and please listen to me when I tell you…they will despise you! Also I am finding out if the first little boy you tried to adopt was stolen to. They will know about that one also. TYLER: Paula has had contact through me because she didn’t act out. I believe that Cathy would admit she acted out a lot. But once again she is a grandmother. MY REPLY: Paula didn’t have to act out, you both were partners in this crime. What exactly do you mean “acted out”? If you mean I “acted out” out of love…then yes I have. If you mean I “acted out” out of anger…again yes I have. And its not over yet! ( But once again she is a grandmother). NO, I am not just A grandmother…I AM Rj and Paisley’s grandmother….there is a difference! TYLER: Please go ahead and inform her that I will not talk back if she is getting out of hand. MY REPLY: That’s nice to know…I think I heard all I wanted to hear in court! Next it will be mine and my daughter’s turn! TYLER: I’m doing to maybe give her peace to know that her biological grandkids are way better off than she can imagine MY REPLY: Do you really think you are doing me a favor? I KNOW this, my grandchildren could NEVER EVER have it better than being with us in their real family.Until you have your OWN children you will never understand this! But Rj and Paisley know…believe me, they know. And they will out out later because of it. They are not puppies you picked up on the street, they were NEVER throw away children, EVER! They have a family with a home that is ready for them. They were never a spur of the moment thought, unlike with you, they always belonged to us. TYLER: I don’t doubt one bit that she will ever stop the gossiping and posting but that is up to her. We can live with it. MY REPLY: If you can live with it, then why did you have the post removed and had f/b block my friend from re-posting? Just live with it! The truth is a hard pill to swallow, especially since now most of your friends know how you scammed to steal children out of a family who loves them and cares for them. All I can say is when this gets back into court…you better be able to live with it! I have been a Christian since 1983…long before you ever entered into this world. I always knew that demons and evil walk the earth…I just never thought I would meet so many in one place as I did the day I sat in that Georgia courtroom! You pray for us? I wouldn’t do that if I were you. You need to pray for yourself, you may THINK God has “blessed” you…but God doesn’t bless evil and in his time you will find that out!

this is what happens when a judge violates your constitutional rights

M daughter’s constitutional right to parent were violated and  this is why she does not fall under the category of terminating her parental rights. We asked for an attorney to be appointed for her and was denied and it all was done in writing. If the children are already adopted, then it was illegally done and should be invalid. Here is what the Georgia law states:
Once a petition for termination of parental rights is filed, the court will appoint an attorney to represent the child. Unlike in most civil proceedings, the court will also appoint an attorney for the parents if they can show they are indigent. Georgia law recognizes the gravity of terminating parental rights, and making sure everyone is represented by counsel helps the court ensure that all of the relevant facts are raised
Reasons for Terminating Parental Rights
Under Georgia law (Section 15-11-94), a court may only terminate parental rights if one or more of the following circumstances has occurred:
the parent consented (in writing) to the termination or voluntarily surrendered the child for adoption
the parent willfully failed to comply with a child support order for at least 12 months
the parent abandoned the child
the parent has been convicted of murdering the child’s other parent, and/or
the court finds parental “misconduct or inability.”
The Murray;s testified that the children looked starved, was dirty and neglected. As you can see in the video that they were healthy, thriving, happy children. None of the reasons in Georgia law should have terminated my daughters rights!

We want Rj and Paisley Home

These are my grandchildren Rj And Paisley who were tricked out of their mother’s care by the paternal grandmother whose son abused my daughter. They were legally kidnapped by Caroline and Tyler Murray and our constitutional rights were violated by Judge Jeffrey Knite from Blackshear Superior Court Georgia. The Murrays are not related and are strangers to my grandchildren who are 2 & 5 yrs old. They petitioned the court to adopt them with only knowing them for 6 weeks. Judge Knite terminated my daughters rights on assumptions and lies, NOT evidence. My daughter did not have an open case with child protective services or ever had a case with her children. She has never been charged with abuse or neglect. The Murray’s and especially Paula Chandler the paternal grandmother knows we don’t have the the money it takes to hire an attorney. Paula Chandler tricked my daughter into…

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WE NEED A PRO BONO ATTORNEY, OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS WERE VIOLATED!

These are my grandchildren Rj And Paisley who were tricked out of their mother’s care by the paternal grandmother whose son abused my daughter. They were legally kidnapped by Caroline and Tyler Murray and our constitutional rights were violated by Judge Jeffrey Knite from Blackshear Superior Court Georgia. The Murrays are not related and are strangers to my grandchildren who are 2 & 5 yrs old. They petitioned the court to adopt them with only knowing them for 6 weeks. Judge Knite terminated my daughters rights on assumptions and lies, NOT evidence. My daughter did not have an open case with child protective services or ever had a case with her children. She has never been charged with abuse or neglect. The Murray’s and especially Paula Chandler the paternal grandmother knows we don’t have the the money it takes to hire an attorney. Paula Chandler tricked my daughter into trusting her, because my daughter was leaving the abuse of her son with the children to move from Georgia to Indiana to be safe with her family. Share this video and let my grandchildren know we are doing everything we can to get them back home. .Rj and Paisley are the only children Angela can have. The Murrays changed their names to Russ and Callie.

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